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Friday, May 15, 2009

Look out Logic Studio, Propellerheads Record is coming

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Update: 17th of May - No Propellerheads, snappy readers are not buying your argument that this is not a DAW and your "don't call it a DAW" tantrum will be just that... a tantrum. Of course, I'm willing to say "oh dear, I'm affraid they were right, it is not a daw... " when it comes out and it proves to be something completely different.


Hi,

You know Propellerheads that Swedish company that created Reason and ReWire right?
They are now cooking their own DAW and it's bound to be quite something, after all they claim the following:

  • They've modeled the mixing console after the legendary SSL 9000k analogue mixing desk.
  • They've implemented real-time time stretch.
  • It will include Virtual Pod from Line 6
  • Also Bass amp and speaker modeling by Line 6
  • Logic-style comping.
and some other features...

What is all the fuzz about? As I've said before I love to have products competing against Logic Studio so that Apple programmers are forced to innovate.

With Propellerheads Record probably some musicians already using Reason will want to take Logic out of the picture since apparently Record will have some impressive matching features, and with the ability to incorporate Reason natively that will make it a complete DAW solution for composing/recording/mixing.

The question is, how well will it compare to Logic Studio?
Well, they are both aimed at mostly composers/performers aren't they? most people would say Logic cannot be compared with say, ProTools because that's for post-prod engineers, but no, it CAN be compared to ProTools in many ways, why not, they have similar features.
If you told me the same thing about Logic-Ableton Live then, I would agree, they are very different and they cater to different audiences.

Surely Propellerheads Record will have features we can compare to Logic, bear in mind however, that I will use a songwritter/composers perspective for the following VERY PERSONAL opinion on how the game will score, OK? here we go:

Propellerheads Record-Reason vs. Logic Studio by modules or plug-ins.
A very quick comparison of features sounds and user interfaces.


Hideous, yet important notes in UPPER CASE!!!!
  • THIS IS BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON PROPELLERHEADS REASON!!!
  • WE KNOW RECORD IS NOT A FULLY RELEASED PRODUCT, IT'S ON BETA!!!
  • APPARENTLY THE TIME STRETCH FEATURE WILL ROCK!!! (click here to listen to examples)
  • NO NEED TO COMPARE THE DYNAMIC EFFECTS AND AMP SIMULATION BECAUSE THEY WILL BE ITERATIONS OF THIRD PARTY COMPANIES LIKE LINE 6 AND SSL AND WE KNOW THEY ALREADY ARE VERY SERIOUS GOURMET SH*T

Synths

Thor Polysonic Synthesizer vs. ES1 + ES2 + EFM1 + ES E/M/P
The winner is Thor, wait, what? againts all of them?

Why:
1. Frankly the ES E, ES M and ES P are the same synth in just different modes: Ensemble, Mono and Poly, seriously Apple? they could have been built in the same interface, they sound just OK
2. Thor is ALL the synths, has 6 forms of synthesis: analog, wavetable, phase modulation, FM pair and noise
3. It's modular
4. It has a killer user interface (that actually looks like a modular synth)
5. Has its own purty step sequencer ;)
6. Arturia-worthy analogue oscillators and filters (I'd say arbitrarily it sounds 98% like the real deal)
7. While ES2 doesn't sound that bad it's really not there yet, and its user interface is a counter intuitive nightmare.

Subtractor vs. ES1
Winner is: ES1

Why:
Now, this is a more likely comparison since these two are the first attempts by both companies at analogue synth simulation.
While the Subtractor synth has a great user interface and all, it doesn't really sound that analogue does it? and neither does the ES1 by the way, but it comes closer.

Malström vs. ??
The winner by default is: Malström

Why:
There is no Graintable synth in Logic for the moment.

ID8 vs. EXS24 as multi-instruments
The winner is: ???

Why:
We haven't heard how ID8 sounds, we'll have to wait on that one.

Samplers

NN-XT vs. EXS24
The winner is: match

Why:
Let's face it, none of them is ideal when it comes to interfaces, I feel like I'm filling out my tax forms with the EXS Editor and you have no way to assign a filter to every individual sample.
On the NN-XT side, I'm not the greatest fan of its non-rezisable editing screen nor the scroll bars it boasts, you can't use the arrow keys when editing its parameters so you are limited to the mouse. Each time I have to heavily edit any patch I just prepare for the eventual tendinitis that is going to cause me.
Soundwise, there is no obvious advantage of one over the other.

Drum machines

ReDrum vs. Ultrabeat
The winner is: Ultrabeat

Why:
1. Ultrabeat is a not just some sampler it's also a very feature-packed state-of-the-art synth.
You could build your entire analogue kit on it
2. It has it's own sequencer
3. You can accomodate a large number of drums vs. ReDrums 10.

Arpeggiators

RPG8 Monophonic Arpeggiator vs. Logic Arpeggiator
The winner is: RPG8

Why:
1. RPG8 HAS a decent properly-skinned user interface, a box or something perceptible as a machine rather than some obscure "environment object".
2. Implementing the Logic arpeggiator is no walk in the park, of course it's not rocket science either (I've said it many times) but anything that is implemented by a single right-click menu wins.
3. RPG8 gives you the ability to regulate the rate on Hz, and easily AUTOMATE all its values, (try that with Logic's arp, good luck).

Reverbs

RV7000 Advance Reverb vs. Space Designer
The winner is Space Designer

Why:
1. Space designer uses convolution reverb technology
2. It's fully customizable, the number of parameters is impressive
3. You can use any impulse response you'd like

Vocoders


BV512 Digital Vocoder vs. Logic Vocoder
The winner is: BV512

Why:
1. BV512 is way snappier
2. Ability to change the carrier input (so you can use any instrument as the carrier Logic's cannot do that)

I will stop there, sure there are more things to compare like EQs, compressors and amp simulation but you know Propellerheads are going to try to recreate both Line 6 and SSL gear so the game will be completely different.

Also I would love to compare the sequencers but as we all know the Reason sequencer is one thing that might not be there in Record, it will probably be something much different so it will be hard to compare for the moment.

Watch the promotion video of Record



See it in action-ish


Happy weekend.

8 comments:

  1. I am totally looking forward to this application. its got some features that I miss from some of my windows DAWs, Mostly the looping and time stretching that Acid does so well. Wonder why Logic doesnt have that.

    Logic is still my baby. but heres to hoping that Apple steps it up and build some of these features into Logic 9.

    Competition is good.

    Im also stoked because this will obviously be cross platform, so that means I wont always be stuck with having to revert back to Cubase for my windows project members. Haaaate Cubase.

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  2. I'm a die hard Logic user, but I'm hoping this app gets Apple off their asses to update it or get Logic 9 on the shelves.

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  3. Well I've played around with it... and while it has some cool features... its definitley not going to be giving Logic a run for anything at this point...

    *shrugs*

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  4. Nice comparisons. Looks like Logic and Reason should be used side by side then.

    Record is going to be really cheap if you already own Reason ($150), so you might as well if you already have it and I think that's what they're going for: to finally let you record your Reason creations.

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  5. you can use any signal to carry logics vocoder via the sidechain feature..?

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  6. Logic Studio Blog wrote a note titled Look out Logic Studio, Propellerheads Record is coming

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  7. hello friend i think it is great for each other and more good tips!

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  8. In my home studio I record Drums with a Roland TD20. ... Send the MIDI out to the kit, record 8 audio in from the ... look really

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